America lost, and working together is not going to happen. You don't understand. I have no interest in "working together" to head down the road of socialism. Ever. And as much as you think Obama is some pro-American guy, it just isn't true and I, for one, will never be convinced otherwise.

@Charles: Anti-American radical conservatives will not work with mainstream Americans. The extreme right has an agenda to turn America into a Fascist Theocracy and drag us all back to 14th century. Dave Murry's response is typical of the no nothings on the right.

Oedipus- You seem to like to throw out the anti-American label easily. I'm a proud conservative, so that makes me anti-American? And you want us to all "work together". I absolutely believe Obama is anti-American, but I would not say the same of Bill Clinton or John Lynch or other liberals who I disagree with. This is why the work together thing is a total farce. The left has no interest in working together, let's not pretend they do. You jump to all sorts of conclusions about me from your elitist perch.

Dave... get over it. Obama is the definition of pro America, just because you say it's socialism, it just isn't true. He is, and will always be, for the American People... ALL of them. Even though you don't like him dave, he STILL fights for your rights too.

I love it, now Obama can turn up this Presidency and really see what he can do.

Dave:

It's not your "proud conservatism" that makes you anti-American, it's your statement that "I have no interest in 'working together'" that makes you anti-American. Even when one's political viewpoint loses an election, *REAL AMERICANS* continue working together for the good of our country. Battle on electorally, but work now for the success of our American country under President Obama.

The complete obstruction that the Republicans have been providing, the willingness to see this country fail so that they could win one election, is nothing short of treason.

Don't be a traitor to your country!

The American people didn't win, they were dupped again.

Dave, you have to travel the world a little and look up what socialism really means. If you are against socialism, then stop paying your taxes, keep yourself and your kids off our tax paid roads, out of our schools, libraries, parks; buy flashlights because those streets lights are also paid by social systems..... The Republican party succeeded at scaring you into poverty just like the vatican: keep them poor, praise them for having more kids than they can afford, keep them in debt and convince them that's it's the right thing to do to give up 10% of your salary to the church (or tax breaks for the 1%)

Another whiny self pitying conservative anti American heard from. Go move under the bridge Nance.

God did help us Nance, he saved us from Romney!

You are pitiful Oedipus, enjoy your free hand outs along with Nikki. Keep on trolling!

Nance... project all you want, again... it still doesn't make it true.

Dave...I am with you 100%. At least we still have the house so we can still block as much of Obamas crap as we can. I can't believe so much of this country let themselves be dupped by him again. Just wait untill January when the 23 new taxes kick in not to mention Obamacare! I think even some dems may start to complain about that.

Nance, I know how you feel. I want to punch something or someone really hard right now. I think we are in for some really tough times in the next four years. All I can say is thank God he won't get a third term and all we can do is hope he dosen't do so much damage in the next four years that it can't be undone. Good luck to you and your family, we are going to need it.

Either way Nance, your business would have possibly gone down the tubes regardless of who's president, and you'll be the first one to stick your hand out for tax payer's help if the most awful thing happen, and awful things do happen to great people. Be happy that you live in a nation that has compassion for not letting people like you fall to the ground when things don't always go as planned.

Ha ha, poor Maxine and Nancy, like the Vatican, the Republicans have scared them to death into giving more tax breaks to the rich and scaring them into believing that affordable Romneycare is a bad thing.....sad, but true. As much as we tell them Obama is not going to distroy their lives, they'll keep watching Fox news, who's whole goal is to scare people into paying more taxes so the rich don't have to. It comes down to education. There is a reason why Fox news was not allowed in Canada; Canada kicks butt in education!

Maxine, here is some reading for you....all Obama did in 4 years is more than you can count and it's NOT all talk. 192 promises kept. You can look it since all the bills are public records. Truth hurts doesn't it. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/

Nance's definition of Obama "refusing" to work together with the republicans is Obama not totally summiting to every single crazed extreme destructive whim of the
Tea Party crazies.

You are right Dan its not Obama because he just got four more years to play free golf and jet set around the world.

@maxine
Come back to reality. If Obama were lazy like you seem to be suggesting, he could have stepped down and made millions giving an occasional speech. POTUS is one of the toughest jobs, and every single president makes great sacrifice.

Maxine, if you could at least come up with a policy other than just ridiculous name calling, maybe we'd take your comments seriously.

sonia You better believe I am scared. Not for myself but for my kids and grandkids futures.

I agree that the out of touch conservatives that posted 24/7 here showed just totally whacked out radical conservatism is today. They no longer constitute the fringe element but are now considered mainstream within the GOP. If the GOP doesn't change it may be doomed.

I couldn't agree more.

I think President Obama should thank Dumpy, NF, JIM and the rest of the GOP Nützlicher idiots for a second term. Who knows how many voters they may have sent Obama's way by posting barely readable FAUX News gobbledygook on Patch comment boards on a daily basis?

Hilary 2016.

Where *ARE* all of those guys?

Surely they didn't get banned!

With the end of the election, did their contracts run out? Did the RNC take back the office computers and/or tablets from which they were posting? Did the Perl scripts crash?

Or did embarrassment at their catastrophic failure just cause them to morph into the new anti-President Obama folks?

Yup, they showed how dumb the Republican supporters are. Just "blah blah blah" with zero substance or adult conversations.

I would be surprised if you ever hear from either of them again, at least using those profile names. They may create new ones if they were not just interns of the GOP to begin with. The other thing is that you can maintain the same account and change the name on Patch. I have never done it, but caught that somebody else had done it when they first posted a bunch of stuff and then created a new ID to make it look like it was somebody else agreeing with them.

No, they are ignorant for voting this guy back in. And many Obama supporters voted for him for purely selfish reasons (to keep the food stamps, phones, etc etc flowing). And Obama voters have voted in big government which is bar far the biggest, greediest hog at the trough. But you just go ahead and repeat those talking points, Bull

Well, not America per se Bull but at least enough to keep Flip Flop Romney and the regressive right out of the White House.

Exactly Dave, purely for selfish reasons is why I voted him back in. I selfishly want whats best for this country. I got it tonight too.

Please help me here Nikki and explain what is right for this country as you seem to be so informed! Also explain to the college grads why they don't have a job? Very thankful my children do as they worked so hard to achieve that goal! Then explain how Obama is going to help small business so we can continue to help with their student loans.We feel doomed, and trust me I'm not conservative in the least! Just hate dishonesty and that's why I feel doomed by this election.

On that note Carry on . I am done posting as I truly feel some here are certifiably insane. Have fun with each other.

Well said...and Dave, wealthy voters didn't vote for Romney for purely selfish reasons...I am a conservative and you sir have no business calling yourself one...a real conservative admits defeat and works with the winner to make America a better place, something you yourself said you are unwilling to do...although I disagree with his politics, President Obama is not anti-American but you most certainly are.

Nance, I know it does suck to be on the losing end of the stick, but if you go and look at that ACTUAL TRUTH and track record or our President and what he has done for the country, then you will see he was the right choice. Romneys plan, if it were to work, would have taken ten years... TEN YEARS. Barack stopped the path where we were going and turned it on it's heals.. now he has four more years to push forward. Let's roll.

Dave, we're not ignorant.
I suspect you are, and it's because you will only listen to one side of an argument. You will only listen to and respect those that agree with you. Your opinions are formed at places like Breitbart,com, thetruthaboutib.org, tea party web sites and other places and people that are stuck behind a wall of their own making.Your wall is closing in around you.
Yes, there are Obama supporters who voted for selfish reasons, just as there are Romney supporters who voted for selfish reasons. I think you and I are in neither camp - but my reasons are grounded in reality, yours are not. For just one example, find out something about where the wealth in this country is really headed - it's to the already privileged. Find out about the REAL tax rate paid by corporations and the wealthy - it's less than you and I pay. Find out who REALLY caused the financial disaster in 2008, it was not minorities getting free real estate, it was ultra-rich banks and individuals making bad bets for the sake of greed and the advantage of a government that gave the drunks the keys to the liquor store.
Dave, you're represented by people like Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter and now Donald Trump. For as long as you folks are behind the wheel of the Republican Party, you will be losing national elections. As you should be.

I fail to see how I am supposed to work with this president to make America better when I believe every decision he makes will not make America better. So in my view, you are un-American to further Obama's policies, and pro-America if you fight them.

And like I said before, I disagreed with Clinton but I would not call him anti-American. I didn't like my side losing to him but I would still try to meet somewhere in the middle to further the country. Totally different game now. There is no middle.

On the contrary..America has embraced bigotry, selfishness, greed and ignorance. God help America!

maxine,
I think your confused, President Barack Obama won, not Mitt Romney.

ha ha, Dave Murry, you are too funny. "selfish" you say? Like the 1% who make you silly people who don't understand that they create the mess and expect people like you and me to pay for it in our taxes? And you think we are selfish? You know the oil Koch Brothers paid 400 million to try to re-elect Romney. Why do you think that is? Can you not see the big simple picture of who Romney works for and who's best interest he's looking out for?

Dear Nance, please calculate 1 billion dollars per day for two wars over a seven year period. You do the math and tell me why the country is such a mess. Do you understand the word "deregulation" on wall street and the banks and the effects it has on an economy? Once you understand the following words: cost of two wars, and deregulation; then we can talk.

Yeah Sonia you sound soooo adult and all grown up with your condecending name calling. Republicans aren't dumb, we may have lost the battle but the war isn't over. The Repubicans after retaining the house will block you Obama lovers every step of the way.

> The Repubicans after retaining the house will block you Obama
> lovers every step of the way.

The problem with that strategy is that people are starting to notice it. The Republicans cruised on it for three-and-a-half years because President Obama was actually *TRYING TO ACT IN A BI-PARTISAN WAY*. And you folks kicked his teeth in over and over again.

But I think he's over trying to work with Republicans now and he's likely to point it out each time Republicans act to torpedo the country for their narrow political self-interest. And we ought here in the real world are fully aware of your treasonous strategy as well.

Yes! I could never vote for a person or a party that went against my core beliefs of pro choice, marry whomever you love, and equality for women.

Sorry guys I haven't gone anywhere and I didn't change anything.

Nikki....yeah Obama has done so much for us hasn't he? Lets see, he doubled the deficit, he let unemployment stay above 8% for 43 months, He lied and covered up what happened in Benghazi because he caused 4 good men to be slaughtered, he is raising 23 new taxes in January, not to mention the worst healthcare bill ever seen. He said his presidency would be transparent so we would all know exactly what he was doing. Another lie. And he has put more people on foodstamps and welfare in the history of America! Yep Obama sure has done alot for us hasn't he.

Maxine and Joe.. turn off Fox News... go to the source, and you will see what he has done and will keep on doing for this country.

We were bleeding to death four years ago, Obama stopped that and got us on the road to recovery. Instead of loosing jobs because of the republican party, we are gaining them monthly, by the masses. Spin doctors spew everything you just said maxine. Why don't you go dig for yourself and see where the facts are. I have posted TONS of links on her for you guys to see(click my name, you will find them), and no one ever looked at them. Im not FOX news, I will NOT spoon feed you anymore.

Onwards and upwards.

Follow the Romney money and the truth will set you free: Koch brothers spent 400 million on Romney's campaign. Oil and deregulation on oil pollution. Can you smell the special interests profits? How about corporations making record profits in the last four years; yet not creating any jobs? Come on guys, do some simple research...it's so easy.

Sonia I think you are the one that dosen't understand deregulation.

Maxine, please explain deregulation to me. I can't wait to hear this.

Nikki...if YOU didn't watch fox news you wouldn't know so much about thier verbage. You can't say anything about the truth I just spoke about Obama because you know its true. Like I said before, what if the deficit quadrupels in the next four years? And what if Obamacare makes it so no one can afford healthcare? And what about the 23 new taxes he has in play for January? Can't reply to any of those?

David, it's actually in high gear now, but at 9 a.m. as I headed into my suddenly much safer job at Keene State, WRKO's host at the time said "I have no interest in working together".... which interestingly was quoted word by word by someone earlier on this board.
Talk radio, and talk radio hosts on Fox are still the current leaders of the right wing.

maxine, ask Romney why he did Romneycare in Massachusetts. After all, Obamacare is a copy of Romney care. Let Romney explain it to you in his own words.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCO_bTGVUYo http://www.mediaite.com/tv/romney-im-very-proud-of-my-health-care-reform-in-massachusetts/

Sonia I know what deregulation is thank you, and I would gladly explain it if you weren't so condecending.

Maxine, you are the one who said "I didn't understand it", not me. So who's being "condescending"? I simply asked you to explain your own definition. I always thought there was only one definition, but you seem to think there are two.
Copy of your post in case you forgot what you wrote:

maxine weimer
1:48 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Sonia I think you are the one that dosen't understand deregulation.

+1!

Strangely enough, it's the "red" states, that is, the ones that benefit from Federal largesse that mostly voted for Romney. Here in the Blue Zone, we mostly contribute to the federal government rather than take from it.

So those folks at the trough who "mostly want stuff for free"? They voted for Romney!

It is funny that all the states that depend the most on federal subsidies vote Republican.....

Atlant...Not. The democats are the ones with thier hands out constantly. Its mostly the blue states who are on foodstamps.

Actually, Maxine, Texas has more foodstamps recipients than any other states. Also, please take some time to read this recent report from Business Week: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-05/republican-heavy-counties-eat-up-most-food-stamp-growth

Maxine:

You're entitled to your own opinions but you're *NOT* entitled to your own facts. Various studies of Federal tax flows over the years have repeatedly shown that Federal tax dollars flow *OUT* of most Blue states and *IN* to most Red states.

Good News salemvoter:
1.) Obama's American Jobs Act is already awaiting passage.
2.) Removing the FICA cap will solve Medicare/Social Security long term solvency. As will making them more efficient.
3.) President Barack Obama will continue to lower the deficit.
4.) And we will continue to investigate Benghazi

Mike, you may have forgotten.
1)Harry Reid blocked a vote on President Obama American Jobs Bill in the Senate.
2) I agree that the FICA cap should be raised. But, if you put more into Social Security, don't you get more out?
3) President Obama has lowered the deficit by raising the debt from 10 to 16 Trillion. He supports the FED to create money out of thin air to pay our bills.
4) Benghazi- don't hold your breath. Remember "executive privlage" after Fast and Furious.
Plus the media still refuses to report anything on any story that looks the least unfavorable to the President

salemvoter, you may have forgotten:
1.) Republican's were trying to score political points while short circuiting a China tariff Bill.
2.) If You put more into Social Security, their will be more to get out, yes.
3.) We have done great things to save this economy.
4.) We already know enough about Benghazi, and Fast and Furious, to know that the administration have no culpability.
Plus This crazy childish the "evil media is colluding" makes the right sound desperate.

If Patch required actual real names instead of anonymous ones (dump obama, Hardy har) I think the environment would improve.

Yes, Stop America's success for your own political gain, lovely sentiments.

It's attitudes like yours, Maxine, that is why our government is failing. Having legislators that pledge to block everything based not on merit but because they don't like the person elected, gets us no where, as we've seen in the last two years. You make a dig at his vacation time, yet George Bush took more vacations than any president in American history. And you seem to have a pretty blurry understanding of the difference between opinion and fact. Oh, and by the way, it's duped. By doubling the "P" you get the short "U" sound, not the long "U." And we definitely weren't duped.

Holly what is that supposed to mean? And by the way a "half" black man won. I am not sure what your ignorant reference is to but I wouldn't care what color he is I hate his policies and his lying. His cover ups and his arrogance. THATS what I hate about Obama.

> THATS what I hate about Obama.

Sure, sure. Keep trying to tell yourself that. Maybe you'll even believe it; we probably won't.

Holly I'm sorry, can't you think of anything? Me either!

Here is 200 campaign promises President Barack Obama kept from his first campaign. I'm sure you'll love at least a hundred of them:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/

I'm holding a grudge after you deleted my, very clever, posts yesterday to appease that troll News Flash....I'll get over it.......eventually... ;-)

Carol
It's the right wing crazies doing the snipping. Retaliating in kind is NOT sniping.

Mike
Thanks for the excellent link. It is info like that that embarrass [and should] ignorant people
like Maxine.

He has only cut are taxes so far.
President Barack Obama signed that largest tax cut in American history. Impressive.

@Mike Healey - Man-oh-man, you are really out of touch. You have no idea what is store for you do you? Would love to be a fly on the wall at your house when "reality" sets in. Ha ha ha! Well, as they say; "Ignorance is bliss."

People outside the bubble don't get to hear the scary fantasies the GOP sells you followers. They didn't ask you to buy a pair of black-and-white Nike Decades athletic shoes did they?

@Mike Healey - You state; "...fantasies the GOP sells followers." Check out this "fantasy", "Top Five Worst Obamacare Taxes Coming in 2013", http://www.atr.org/five-worst-obamacare-taxes-coming-a7217 . And, BTW, that is only five out of the twenty.

Mike, the only "fantasy" is that Barry's economic policies will return our country to growth and prosperity. If you really believe that "wealth redistribution" creates new wealth, well, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Obama 2012! Prosperity for none, mediocrity for all!

Sorry Watts, even though Romney lost he still has more love for this county than Obama has for anyone or anything, espicially his arrogant self. He may be feeling all righteous today but just give him a few months and he will trip over his nose cause its so high up in the air. What litterally amazes me is how he got so many people to drink his koolaid bs. Hopefully four years will fly by and then when the deficit has quadrupulled and the taxes are sky high and no one can afford healthcare maybe, just maybe this nation of Obama lovers will wake up and vote the dems out. Way out.

I think it would be hard to trip over your nose, especially if your holding it high.

Maxine, I know that it is a tuff morning for you, so I pray that after a week or so, your sanity will return.

Watts, my sanity is just fine it's my temper I need to control because if I could I'd take all you Obama lovers to an island far, far away and let you all have it your way while the rest of us live in peace.

Maxine:

There appear to be more of us than there are of you; perhaps it'd be easier if *YOU* relocate rather than us? I'd like to suggest Mississippi or maybe even Somalia; both provide the sort of "low-taxes/low-services" environment that you seem to crave.

@Atlant - Maybe you ought to take a trip to Greece to get a look at our future. BTW, the Greek debt, being what it is, puts a debt obligation of approx. $39K on each citizen of Greece. In the good ol' USA our debt per citizen is around $52K.

So, maybe the future isn't as far away as one might think. What? Me worry?

Joe:

There's no supervisory government such as the European Union trying to force a pay-down on our debt. In fact, entities worldwide are still clamoring to *BUY* our debt. The effective interest rate on US Government debt is now somewhat *BELOW* 0.0%; people are *PAYING* us to park their cash in US Government debt.

There's no better time to run a deficit and accomplish major nation building here in our very own nation.

Atlant: Countries are not paying us to park their cash in US Governmnet debt. Quanatative easing 1, 2, and 3 printed money so that the US could borrow money from the FED at interest rates set by the FED. The Fed did not have the money to loan us so they simply printed more money. In reality they just changed the balance on a ledger sheet to say we had more money then we really did.

If foreign entities were buying our debt they would be demanding higher interest rate on their return. To get around this the FED simply created money.

The Bond markets now that is another story, we have had one downgrade and its been reported that another one is looming.

http://blogs.barrons.com/incomeinvesting/2012/11/07/fitch-warns-of-u-s-rating-downgrade-if-fiscal-cliff-isnt-averted/

If our rating gets devalued than the international currency will shift from dollar to another currency.

@Atlant - In a number of posts you mention that you are "so much better off today" than in years past. You state above, "There's no better time to run a deficit and accomplish major nation building." I hope that you do not take the same position in regards to your personal finances, living on borrowed money; hence, the illusion that "you are so much better off today than in past years." If being in debt is not a good thing on a personal level, please explain to us how being in debt, especially at the current level, is good for our nation. Inquiring minds want to know. The debtor is nothing more than a slave to the debtee.

Thanks Mr President .. stock Market is up over 6000 since taking office.. That IS a good thing .. Good way to finish a first term.

Joe:

The Stock Market goes up and the Stock Market goes down. Yesterday, the DJIA was up something like $133. Today (twenty minutes ago), it was down something like $269. Neither is a huge big deal and you *DON'T* get to "cherry-pick" all the bad days just to prove your alleged point.

The market wasn't surprised by president Obama's re-election; they *BELIEVE* in scientific polling and pricing-in events that are extremely likely to happen. Only folks living in the Right Wing bubble of Faux Facts were surprised.

Up a 100%, down 2%, its all good.

Atlant I wouldn't brag about there being more idiots in the US than normal, concerned Amerians. And our income is way over 6 figures so I am not the one so concerned about paying some taxes. I am however concerned about my kids and grandkids futures..

The free phone program was started by Reagan.

The free phone program does not use tax dollars.

My 401K has recovered and my paycheck has less taxes taken out.

@essay - Are you ready to start paying up in 2013 or are you also "blissfully unaware" of the taxes that are coming your way? Can you list the 23 new taxes essay? Most "uninformed" voters (those who voted for Barry) are unaware of these you know. Talk about shooting

Joe:

Why don't you list them for us (since you doubtless have all 23 of them "to heart") and we'll see if any of them apply to us in a magnitude that would actually matter to us?

The rabid on the right consume their own crap.

Another keyboard commando hiding behind the keyboard. The American people are the ones that voted against that do nothing POS in the oval office , the win came from the uneducated SHEEP , just look south of the NH/Mass. border , unfortunately no income taxes , no sales tax and lower housing cost drew all the uneducated SHEEP over to NH and changed it's landscape and values.

Again,
Here you are giving opinions that are not based in reality. Do you want to claim that the education level of the Blue States are lower than the education level of Red States?
Do you want to pretend that the level of education of Democrats is somehow lower than Republicans?
How are we to discuss the merits when your so delusional. There is a world of facts out there, and they are not hidden John. Check them out and then we can have a conversation.

139 executive orders in less than 4 years, but that rounds up to 900, if you're a Republican.

Here's what "all the talk" is about Maxine. Hope you can read all the bills regarding Obama's 192 promises kept. You can look up each bill, it's public information. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/
I thought Dumpy and News Flash were beyond ridiculous with zero talking points, but these new people take the cake.... products of Fox Faux news

See John,
This is the problem. You don't seem to have any facts right, and when corrected you just produce another falsehood. President Barack Obama's lowering of the deficit is of public record, but somehow you don't know that. If we are not both in reality, how are we to have a conversation about solutions?

Again John,
President Barack Obama's 139 executive orders is less than George W. Bush's 291 executive orders in the real world where math works. If you continue to stay misinformed I'm okay with that, but why repeat it?

I don't like the gloating.
And it was women who won this election, particularly single or divorced women who won this for Obama. Turnout was actually down for this election among the urban and latino populations.
It was women who won this election for Obama, and it was women who elected women in record numbers around the country. It was women who reacted angrily to Scott Brown's browbeating of Warren in the first debate which created the surprising victory margin in the MA Senate race.
This election was about women voters.

You are so off base it is not even funny. Most republicans just want smaller government, lower taxes, and less regulation. No one wants to go back to the "50's." It is this type of over-dramatic hyperbole that causes such division and gives rise to the identity politics that have no place in America.

Dear Michael Cole, how would your small government fix a disaster like Sandy if you were in Jersey? Wake up and get your head out of the sand. Republicans want to give more power to the states so they can make money where the most poor and religious people live. Government is there to help when problems are bigger than what the state budgets can handle. Education, education, education.

You must be happy with Obama's shrinking of the federal government then Michael.

"Made to feel stupid"...perhaps you are not being made to feel that way, you just are that way.

obamabiden...what makes you so smart? Is it that mouth you have on you?

Maxine, it is hard to believe someone so abrasive, insulting, and closed minded could call out others for being "cocky". You are obviously ignorant about the issues, and you clearly refuse to learn, yet you somehow believe your conclusions are superior everyone else's.

Sonia - If this is the type of source you use to inform yourself and if this is the type of article you believe is good, honest journalism, then we on the other side can certainly understand your position on various issues. Off-beat, fringe sites like Alternet are way on the sidelines for good reasons - low credibility and low readership. Condemning Fox News and its readers and viewers is a typical left wing activity based on fear. Whether you like it or dislike it, Fox News tops the ratings for cable news sources and it literally buries the liberal bastion, MSCNBC, in those ratings.

Sonia, thank you for that blanket statement as to what all Republicans believe. It was not clear to me which Rachel Maddow list of talking points you were spouting. Please do not confuse smaller government with non-existent government. I never suggested cutting federal disaster relief. However, and more importantly, your argument is based on the false premise -- that an individual state's citizens are incapable of taking care of themselves when disaster hits without the government's help. This type of self-victimization makes me sick. NJ and NY's citizens will, own their own, recover and rebuild, with some financial help (and the help of their own national guard). Despite what you may have heard, the federal government does not have a monopoly on American perseverance, hard work, resilience and on local citizens' ability to pull together and take care of their own.

Are "all Republicans" "Fox news lovers" Michael Cole?

Michael Cole, I don't watch Rachel Maddow, she's on too late at night and I have kids that wake at 6 AM. 2nd, a state's budget cannot sustain such a big event. If you look up the word "insurance", emergency catastrophies, etc and you'll see that if the whole nation pays taxes into a disaster organization, and a large disaster happens, then the rest of the states can absorb that costly disaster because the cost is spread among everyone. It's called prevention/emergency services. There is NO WAY one state could self sustain that many billions all alone. Has nothing to do with victimization, has to do with the scale of the disaster and what's realistically sustainable. Your party and candidate has been wanting to cut Fema for years ever since Obama won. Maybe you are not quite like them but support the party anyway?

Fox news kicked out of Canada, too many lies, not news, against all broadcasting laws. http://current.com/community/93843544_fox-news-lies-keep-them-out-of-canada.htm

I Love Rachel Maddow. You really should watch it. Its available for download from iTunes every morning after the original broadcast. She is a very intelligent thoughtful commentator with an obvious bias, but also a dogged commitment to facts.(A perfect combination)

Sonia....well those "idiots" are number one in the news field and have been for more than ten years! Would you rather watch the show that has never been rated top in thier field? that dosen't make sense.

Number one in cable news is like being the tallest short person in the room.

Maxine, there is a difference between getting ratings for drama/entertainment vs news. Fox doesn't qualify for news, as indicated by Canada!

Proud Conservative says...
"Fox News tops the ratings for cable news sources and it literally buries the liberal bastion, MSCNBC, in those ratings."
So.
Here we have proof that that "Liberal controlled Media" is a statistically proven fallacy.

Dream on!

You had several news networks not only broadcasting 24x7 what you claim are scandals but also fabricating new scandals daily.

It didn't work.

And it didn't work for the same reason that Romney wasn't elected: there aren't enough idiots out there who believe that stuff that Faux News is trying to sell.

If you people continue to chose right wing rhetoric over reality you will continue to lose.

Proud Conservative and Michael Cole..........thank you for such great logic. It is exactly what I feel only the two of you are able to express it better.

The Congressional Budget Office has said repealing the law would not save money. It said in February 2011 that full repeal, on the whole, would add $210 billion to the federal budget deficit over 10 years.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71686.html#ixzz2BerEOFH4
CBO says Obamacare will reduce the deficit:
As a result, taxpayers will save about $84 billion from 2012 to 2022. That brings the total cost of expanding coverage down to $1.2 trillion, from about $1.3 trillion in the previous estimate. As a result, taxpayers will save about $84 billion from 2012 to 2022. That brings the total cost of expanding coverage down to $1.2 trillion, from about $1.3 trillion in the previous estimate.

Skewed polls
Benghazi
Acorn
Manipulated Jobs Numbers
Black Panthers
Internment camps
Fast and Furious
Kevin Jennings
Taking comments out of context, daily
Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor
Posting GOP talking points as their own
Lying about the PATRIOT Act
Veterans Affairs administration pamphlet on end-of-life issues "DEATH BOOK!"
Obama's "terrorist fist jab."
Fake Math, Daily
Liberal Media Bias claims, Daily

Here's why Fox has high ratings and it's NOT because of their great content. The Sarah Palin's and Glen Beck(changes historical quotes to his liking) shock and awe lies and rumor mills make good drama but not truth. http://current.com/community/93843544_fox-news-lies-keep-them-out-of-canada.htm

More lies, Glen Beck on Fox uses a different shot of the crowd at the healthcare protest to make it appear there is more people, only one problem, the seasons were different...check out the trees.... http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-10-2009/sean-hannity-uses-glenn-beck-s-protest-footage

Nicely said Steve

Sonia for someone who can't stand Fox news, you sure do watch enough of it!

Maxine, you are replying to Steve about me watching a lot of Fox? Why do you think I watch a lot of Fox? Your comments don't make any sense. Are you under 18? This is an adult conversation.

Salemvoter:

Your side has pretty-conclusively proven that your side can't be educated. It values faith over facts, lies with impunity, and would very willingly discriminate against many different groups of people based on who they are.

You deserve no quarter.

@salemvoter You mean we'll be busy telling you about all the bills that were passed and the 192 promises kept. You can read all the bills yourself. Facts and actually bills are hard to argue with. Oh and did I mention we've been adding jobs for the last 32 months: fact. Hard for you to gulp, I'm sure, since you hate Obama so much. Here's some bills for you of promises kept, read slow because I"m sure by tomorrow you'll forget and keep repeating that Obama has done nothing. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

Atlant can't explain his position.
Sonia, needs to refer to a biased fact checking organization to make her point.
All those promises kept and the results are;
8% unemployment,
>50% increase in the national debt
tax increases on the middle class from Obamacare
escalating health insurance costs
escalating energy costs
He got the stimulus after he promised it would reduce unemployment to 5%, he got Cash for Clunkers, he got a mortgage modification program, he got Obamacare

What has worked?

Sonia, the numbers of jobs today are still less then the number of jobs when President Obama took office.

salemvoter,
Again we are stuck. If you continue to repeat things that are not true("the numbers of jobs today are still less then the number of jobs when President Obama took office") than it will be difficult for us to have a conversation. These are REAL NUMBERS that can be easily researched, give it a try.

Mike, I'll show you my research on number of jobs. And, you show me yours. I will even show you a report from the left wing news site, CNN.
What do you have?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/politics/fact-check-obama-jobs/index.html

From the CNN posting above;

The number Castro cites is an accurate description of the growth of private-sector jobs since January 2010, when the long, steep slide in employment finally hit bottom. But while a total of 4.5 million jobs sounds great, it's not the whole picture
Nonfarm private payrolls hit a post-recession low of 106.8 million that month, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The figure currently stands at 111.3 million as of July.

While that is indeed a gain of 4.5 million, it's only a net gain of 300,000 over the course of the Obama administration to date. The private jobs figure stood at 111 million in January 2009, the month Obama took office.

You do know that it is not September 5th anymore, right?
Are you on some kind of time delay?
Why don't you look at today's numbers and get back to me.

Mike, No way. You get back to me!!! What do you have to prove your statement that there are more jobs now then when President Obama took office.

I don't have to prove reality. Reality is reality. It exists whether you believe it or not.

November 2nd, 2012
6 days ago
Obama now a job creator
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/02/obama-now-a-job-creator/comment-page-1/

11/02/2012 @ 3:35PM
The Real Story Of Job Creation
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2012/11/02/the-real-story-of-job-creation/

Salem, this president added jobs for the last 32 months. unemployment is below 8%. Hard for you to gulp those facts isn't it....sure beats losing 700 000 a month when he was handed over the country by Bush. You do the math.

I cannot speak for Mike, Atlant, FTP, but I will be happy to educate you. {And
I can just imagine how gracious the Tea Party would have been had Romney won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL} Why is it more prudent to tax the wealthy more as opposed to taxing the middle class? It is really quite so simple a 5 year old could understand really. Put a dollar in the hands of someone who doesn’t need a new pair of jeans, for example, [VIZ tax cut for the wealthy] and that person will not buy a new pair of jeans. Put a dollar in the hands of a person who need a pair of jeans, [VIZ
Struggling hard working middle class and lower class American families] and that person will buy a pair of jeans. The increased demand at that store means they hire another clerk. And the increased demand means delivery must hire another truck driver. the now employed truck driver and clerk will now have a pay check and
can so spend money on goods and services. for example a long overdue haircut.
That barber or hair salon benefits from the increased business and they can hire or spend more money in the economy ECT. ECT. ECT. This is called "Prime Pumping"
the economy. This has proven true in practice and in theory. [Conservatives are clueless on Prime Pumping] True, I am sure you will
come up with some rinky dink "trickle down' rebuttal to this, but you are not fooling
me one bit. Consumer demand [not tax cuts for the wealthy] creates jobs!

Jay, you read my mind, especially w Maxine.... no back up facts....just ridiculous rhetoric. We all know News Flash and Dumpy couldn't stay away so it has to be true!

I think the Carl Rove checks stopped coming and that operation has closed up shop until the next election.

I certainly believe that we staved off the gangrene for another four years.

How are Khrushchev and Stalin doing these days?
How about Communism?

exactly, maybe Liberals/Progressives should learn from history...

We have, that's why we refuse to let the right destroy America.

The US Postal service delivers a letter anywhere for a fraction of a dollar, FEDEX does it for $30.00. Medicare overhead is far lower than private insurers' overhead, and it is very popular to those who use it.
Borrowing during a recession is a very common practice. We cannot stop paying our bills just because we had a lean month.
I think you are right. Eliminate the unfunded Bush Tax Cuts while simultaneously working to reduce the size and increase the efficiency of government.

I agree Apljak

> What is wrong with wanting to tackle the fiscal issues and then determine
> ways to pay for these other programs when there is a surplus?

What's wrong with that idea, of course, is that the Republicans have decided that the best way to *ASSURE* that we never pass any further social programs is to keep our government forever in deficit, allegedly teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. In that way, they never need to worry that there will be a time when we have the funds to spend on the people.

On the other hand, we always seem to have endless funds to spend on defense contractors, military adventurism, and the like...

@ Mike Healy, Do you really want to use the USPS as a successful business model??

Have you actually ever created a job or do you just punch a clock everyday and let someone else assume all the risk/burden?

Medicare is popular because it is free! Why couldn't Obama pass his Healthcare bill through the proper channels? Just to get the necessary Senate majority, he and his cohorts needed to threaten and coerce the democratic Senators!! Obviously the majority of people, elderly included, didn't want this.
They baited the small minority of insuring the kids until 26 years of age but no one is even aware of what is to come in 2014!

Atlant, you write that Republicans have decided that the best way to *ASSURE* that we never pass any further social programs is to keep our government forever in deficit.

Has President Obama or the Democrat Senate passed a budget in the last 3 years? Why not?

@Atlant,
That's not the type of Republican I am or theory that I believe in.
I think that Obama has the opportunity to be Great if he can figure out a way to unite our nation, yet his campaign doesn't support the idea that this is his intent. in fact, he appears somewhat Machiavellian and dismissive to those who oppose him.
We can only hope he is as good as all of you believe him to be. Maybe he will moderate a bit now that he doesn't need to cater to his base or worry about re-election!
Here's to hope and change!!

Apljak,
USPS is a perfect model of government success.
I have been in manufacturing most of my life and am currently an investor in the small business I currently work at. We don't employ a lot of people, but make an incredible American Made Product AND source as much as we can from American suppliers.
Have you ever worked for a living?
The Health Care bill does so much more than just allow kids to stay on their insurance until they are 26.
Imagine when a small start up won't have to worry about insuring their employees?
Imagine when the cost of self insurance doesn't keep an guy with a great idea from making his own company?
The health care act will be a boon to small business and this economy.
Medicare is not free.

@Mike Healy,
Congratulations on your company, investment and product. It sounds like success.
USPS is a poor business model that is heavily in debt and doomed to fail unless it restructures. It is too bloated with labor and needs to make major changes!
I have worked for a living.
I got my first paper route at 10 years old and have worked at least 40 hours/wk since (high school - McD's and college-construction).
I lost my job of 20 years 4 yrs ago and when I lost my income, I cut household costs. I turned off lights, turned down heat, ate soup, stopped alcohol and restaurants.
No cigarettes, plasma tv's or other disposable items that people in need have no business borrowing from credit cards with no financial plan on how to pay back!
Borrowing for life's necessities is another story and thank God that there are safety nets in place for those people and things.
I started a company 4 years ago, employ 23 employees and also needed to figure out the Health insurance situation.
You know what, careful planning and strategy allowed me to realize this dream and we did it without government!
I might add that I did it in spite of government!
I battled cancer recently and I know the level costs that were burdensome and the quality of healthcare for which I am grateful.
It is inevitable that Obamacare will hurt the quality.Prices to the taxpayer will be nearly insurmountable...similar to FEMA flood Insurance.

Apljak,
Cutting your spending when you lost your job is the wrong analogy.
Did you stop paying your mortgage?
Did you stop paying the debt you already incurred?

With only 23 employees you are exempt from "Obamacare"
It will increase the quality of health care.
And the country will be better for it.

Don't believe all the whining you hear about "Obamacare".

And you would be amazed at the ways America made your company possible.

@Mike Healy,
I am not sure why you disagree with the analogy.
We were already in debt from all previous presidents. We had a debt service.
Obama knew the situation, wanted the job, and promised to focus on all of the fiscal issues. Instead, he doubled our debt and focused on socialized healthcare for a nation that wasn't entirely excited at the prospect of such...I liken this to a pound of cure instead of an ounce of prevention. There were many alternatives that could be implemented to deal with pre-existing conditions that didn't involved nationalizing the program.

@Mike Healy
Yes, my company will be exempt from Obamacare (possibly) but I only hope for our sake that we will be able to keep our current insurance. I have no desire to purchase an alternative.
I am grateful to live in America, the greatest country of all, but please don't take away from my hard work in building my business.
I did, in fact, build my business. Obama and this federal government did not!

Neither you or I have succeeded in a vacuum.

@Mike Healy,
Yes I was aware and quite afraid. I found it to not be true in my case with Anthem.
I think that this is something that could have been fixed by having an involuntary pool that distributes fairly, to ALL insurers, these particular cases. Very similar to insurance and workmans comp for new businesses with difficult classes to insure.

@essay,
That is a fallacy.
Actually, the cancer was pre-existing when I started my company. I actually lost my COBRA from MA BCBS. Anthem BCBS took us on even with this condition. They did not refuse to cover me, my family, or any of my employees and their families during our open enrollment.
Again, scare tactics aren't always true--on either side.

You did not know that Insurance companies had the right to deny you coverage for preexisting conditions Apljak?

I would not go to far out on that limb essay. No one knows what, how, or when this new "Obama care" will take affect. 2600 pages and thousands of lawyers will spin this wildly.

The harry Potter series was 3400 pages and my twelve year old was able to understand it. Don't sell yourself short Patriot, reading is not so hard.

And equally based in fiction, although Harry Potter is probably a little more realistic!
And cost a lot less to make!

Well Apljak,
If you don't believe that The Affordable Health Care for America Act is real, you should have nothing to worry about.

@Mike,
True!
Obviously, a few jokes here and there...
We are still the best country and I hope that Obama has as great second term that unites the country to the point that he can!
We'll try again in 2016!

Maxine, that's a great idea. Count me in.

Poor kids, that is as bad as a boy named sue!

He has done plenty already, and hopefully the GOP realizes their efforts to hold back America's success to forward their party was a failure and they will finally come to the table. If not, we will succeed without them.

@Mike,
As we learned from Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan, compromise doesn't have to mean total capitulation. There can and must be middle ground as the vote was for Obama for President, but still the popular vote shows statistically a 50/50 split in politics.
Democracy is not totalitarianism!

Romney lost the popular vote. End of story.

George Bush, however, lost the popular vote, and we still had to put up with his incompetence.

No crying now. You lost. The moderates won (despite what you hear on Faux news, Obama is not far to the left).

@ForThePeople,
Obviously your gloating mentality blurs your ability to read for any true comprehension.

I am not crying, yes we lost, the country moves on, and I wish Obama well.
Fortunately, he is already re-working his cabinet to better compromise.

Idealogues and partisans like yourself need to drop the whole Bush excuse (or do you want to keep that around for the next four years as well...how lame can you be?)
The popular vote means nothing from an elected position aspect, it is the electoral college which is most important.
It is the Gore followers (probably like yourself) that have been championing for the elimination of the electoral process and use the popular vote.
I mention the popular vote as a means of perspective that while the presidential contest has a winner/loser, it doesn't reflect any party representation.
For the betterment of the country, both Dems and Repubs need to find middle ground. If you don't see that then you, my friend, are far from moderate!

Yes Apljak, And the President continues to stand in the center waiting for the right to meet him.

@ForThePeople
Obviously, Intellectual honesty is not your strong suit.
it is not worthy of debate when one can't actually even be honest about their position.
You should be proud of where the President has governed, not trying to hide it.
Most assuredly, it is left of center. But I am sure you will continue to try convincing yourself and others of the contrary.

Good luck to you, I wish you well in your life.

The fact that you don't realize Barack Obama is a moderate makes you the kind of Republican I talk about all the time on here. I am not surprised.

Yes dear, of course dear, anything you say dear....

PC,
You need to stop watch so much propaganda
Obama passed the largest tax cut in history
Obama loosened gun control
Obama is strong on defense
Obama has shrunk the size of government
Obama has better conservative credentials than Ronald Reagan.

@Mike Healey - The sad part is I think you really believe what you posted. I'm not going to show you where you are completely mistaken in each of your points. History will do that in the very near future.

It would kill you to see I was right, so you won't look it up. Love it.

Mike, I'll bite...
Here's one fact you got incorrect, Obama did NOT decrease the size of government. The federal government under Obama has INCREASED by 1.4% which if you exclude the post office which is slowly dying off, the actual increase was 6.7%.
According to Politifact.org (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/11/paul-krugman/paul-krugman-says-government-jobs-have-fallen-half/)
"The decline in government employment clearly wasn’t driven by job losses at the federal level. It came from state and local government. So we’ll look at the trends for those categories here. State employment accounts for 23 percent of the government workforce. State government payrolls declined by 113,000 over the same period, or 2.2 percent."

So the Federal government grew, it was the State's the cut back and now you want to give Obama credit for what the states do?
I'd address your other points but patch limits the number of characters in a response.

Make you think that Republicans are going to have to figure out what American's want solved and start working on solving those issues. Texas will be a swing state next presidential election.....

Patriot, Your point.... ? Did you complain about this in 1968, 72, or 1980 of 84?

Mark:

The translation of Patriot's post is "The only reason Obama won was that so many people voted for the Democrat!"

@Mark, I was not complaining. I just posted an article that I found interesting. In that article it showed also how this electoral fabric affected the democrats. Just an interesting perspective.

Mr Boehner says the election results demand that President Barack Obama implement Mitt Romney's tax plan...... Maybe Mitt Romney will finally release that tax plan......

@Mike, Boehner would and should cave in. He should vote like the President did when he was in office. "Present"
In 4 years will will be so in debt no one will be able to see over the top of the paper.

Jeff Duncan is a Taxed Enough Already Ideologue who would say anything.

Look up the citations, Healey. Are you going to dispute what's actually written in the law?

There is certainly tax increases related to the Affordable Health Care Act, but it is smaller than Clinton's tax increase, smaller than Bush's tax increase, Reagan's tax increase was nearly double. And don't forget the Affordable Health Care Act cuts the deficit by a trillion dollars.

I'm sure that is fun to say, but the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows government labor down from when President Barack Obama took office.

Sorry Healey, but here are the figures from OPM (Office of Personnel Management):

2008 Total Federal Employment...... 4,206 million
2009 Total Federal Employment....... 4,430 million
2010 Total Federal Employment....... 4,443 million

You do know that 2010 was two years ago, right?

"Total government employment was 21,969,000 in May 2012, a reduction of about 600,000 jobs." The New York Times June 19, 2012

Are you taking the place of News Flash? Or that illiterate named Jim?

Funny how they just disappeared when their tin-god lost.

Proud Conservative-You RWers must have a special dictionary or something. Whether using terms like authoritarian, socialist, or collectivist, sustainable, you often get it wrong.

@Sonia
Don't you have more decency than to try and continue to race bait?
Who cares what the color of one's skin is?

Mitt Romney won 60% of the White vote.....
50% 53% 55% maybe, but 60%?
Why do you think that was Apljak?

88% of the people who voted for Romney were white......

88% of people that voted democrat are fools, low information types.

@Sonia Prince - Most likely, America's most uninformed voted for Barry because of the wonderful progress he makes, everyday, with the economy. To keep up with his daily progress in the way of layoffs, bankruptcies, and business closings, visit this website. It is very informational, http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/ .

Sonia- The Bush tax cut reduced taxes fro EVERYONE. The lowest income tax people saw their taxes reduced by 33%, from 15% to 10%, on earned income. The rich had their taxes reduced by 3% from 39% to 36% on earned income.

Yes, they voted for Obama. But, a majority still feels the country is on the wrong track and a majority favors the repeal of Obama care. And those numbers come from Tuesday's exit polls, not from thin air.

"Polls" no longer will effect the President decisions.

I love the blind absolutist denial. Another example of why the GOP lost.

Mike, the best part is: that's one of the reasons they'll *CONTINUE* to lose!

Demographically, the current Republican Party is dead, dead, dead. Oh, they'll win the occasional race (outside of the South) once in a while, just like hurricanes destroy towns once in a while, but on average, they're history.

Hannity, Murdoch and Boehner all came out for immigration reform today. There is no principle Republicans aren't willing to compromise for election results.

Reid, Pelosi and Old Lady Scultz have no principals that democrats follow blindly.

How so Jack?

Dear Apljak;who I believe is probably an old whilte guy; allow my "small minded self" to give you some information. Read about the GOP Tea Partyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement 1. TeaParty.org owner Dale Robertson protested in '09 with a sign that said "Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar". 2.Protest rallies as early as 2009 have depicted President Obama as a witch doctor, and as having plans for "White Slavery". 3. During a protest rally in D.C., before the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Bill was voted on in March 2010, several black lawmakers said that demonstrators shouted racial epithets at them. Congr. Emanuel Cleaver was spat upon & said he heard the slurs. 4. Congr. Barney Frank, who is gay, was called a "faggot".5. While attending the March '10, health care rally in D.C., Springboro, Ohio, Tea Party founder Sonny Thomas posted a racist comment on the Springboro Tea Party Twitter page he managed by tweeting "Illegals everywhere today! So many spicks makes me feel like a speck. Grrr. Wheres my gun!?" 6. Tea Party Express leader Mark Williams referred to Allah as "the terrorists' monkey god", and posted other anti-Islamic remarks in May 2010. When questioned, Williams stated the controversy has "been fantastic for the movement". Williams received further criticism in mid-July when he posted a fictional letter named "Colored People" on his blog.

@Sonia,
no I am not an old white guy, although I am white.
As demonstrated by your ageist and racist remark, the Republicans don't have a monopoly on mean spirited, idiotic people who say and do stupid things.
'nuff said!

Apljack, if you can read your own posts, I'm guessing you are a Republican and your "mean spirited" self did call me "small minded individual" at 11:19 am Friday. So you can stop the hypocrisy of your high standards and skip the morality speech. How old are you? What is your name? Lots of talk but not much courage behind the words. It's easy to spur out insults and hide behind your cereal Apple Jacks name! Great to hear you are not old. Happy that you fall into the lesser percentage of voters since the majority of the young peole voted Obama in this week, along with every other group, with the exception of the old white guys that you seem to share your views with.

@Sonia
I consider blanket statements accusing other people who also love this country but differ philosophically to be small minded.
I like to read through Patch and witness dialogue, hopefully intelligent dialog.
I am not always totally cerebral and at times I am hypocritical.
I just happen to be somewhat sensitive to the race argument because I am the farthest thing from it.
I am a fiscal conservative who just has a different take on what this country needs right now. I think dialog between the parties is necessary and it needs to be respectful.
Btw, my nickname has nothing to do with cereal.
I hope the discourse canbe elevated from the name calling and racist accusations.

I hope you feel better real soon.

@Mike,
I feel great. It's people like you, making simplistic, generalized and ideological statements that demonstrates some sort of self-hatred.
Do you even hang out with minorities? Even speak a second language?
I didn't think so!
Keep acting like one of the cool kids who is a part of the correct clique and everyone else isn't worthy of your time! That's what you sound like!
I hope it serves you well!

Boy,
The lady doth protest too much, methinks....
I have only stated actual statistics and asked if you could explain them. I have not made a single comment supporting either side of the question. Why are you so sensitive about this?
As for your crazy assertions about who I know or what I know, it makes you sound awfully defensive. Maybe you should ask yourself why your so angry?

Your statistics are presented for a reason, and that reason is one of an accusatory tone of racism.
the charge of denial and blind to reason is over-simplistic about Republicans.
Your mentioning the statistic here is just a projection of your perspective to which I disagree.
I guess I am sick of holier than thou Democrats accusing other whites of being a racist party when it is arguable that in it's pure form, the Republican Platform is truly color-blind. Conservative minded with no bearing of ethnicity or skin color.
If I am wrong, I apologize.
just sayin...

@Mike - If you have a few free cycles, check out "The Democrat Race Lie", http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/

Thoughout American history, it appears that the Democrats have not been on the "we're all equal bandwagon" as they'd like you to believe. Let us know if you find it to be inaccurate. Don't want to be pointing you to bogus history.

The question asked was:
"Mitt Romney won 60% of the White vote.....
50% 53% 55% maybe, but 60%?
Why do you think that was Apljak?"
Its a simple question Apljak, what do you think drives those demographics?

@Mike,
As Patch mentions, no Tolstoy-esque answers.
I answered the question simply by saying policy and my response was met with sarcasm by you and @atlant.
I think that Romney believed that conservative fiscal policy is color blind and didn't engage the American people to connect with them and their other concerns.
It's not that he didn't have the Americans best interests at heart, I believe he never was able to deal with the negative ads that started long ago in the battleground states.

I just wonder if all the "Send him back to Kenya" "He is not a real American""“47 percent”"The food stamp president""Jeremiah Wright""Illegal's voting""“lynching chairs”"gutting the work requirement lie""Put the White Back in the White House""this is how we feed the animals" etc, etc, added up to some people during this election.

The issue with race is not the Democrats. You can claim that there is nothing to the demographics, but the numbers do not lie. If National Republican candidates are going to do so poorly with minorities, you are going to have to figure out why because there are not enough elderly white men to win elections anymore.

Maxine:

We only point out that many Republicans are racist because many Republicans are.

It's obvious in 1) the demographics of the modern-day Republican party 2) especially the party hierarchy 3) and their party platform 4) and their "dog-whistle" speeches and advertisements 5) as well as the postings on the web by thousands of self-styled Republicans. (And just so you understand precisely what I'm saying: Not all Republicans are racist, but most racists are Republicans.)

The difficulty for the Republicans is that non-whites and non-Republican whites can see all these things and even hear the "dog-whistles" too.

The Republican Party can't win as the Party for Racists and 2012 just proved that.

General Petraeus served his country with distinction. He served under Bush and President Barack Obama and was not partisan in any way. Its disgusting to see how willing you are to disparage America's military.

Another cospiracy theory to distract the whack jobs...

Petraus is now a democratic cohort? I thought the right wing claimed him?

Petraeus resigned because an FBI investigation into his biographer, Paula Broadwell, led to him and uncovered the affair There are concerns that she may have been involved in a security breach. I don't think we've heard the end of this story.

Maybe she is working with secret squirrel...

Proud Conservative-you probably do not realize how bigotted you come across as being. Bill Clinton was also popular. Was it because of his race or ideas?

Patch-why do you allow spamming? Please moderate.

Come on Tammy! The number of black voters went way up in 2008 and the reason was that a black man was running for president. I'm sure many of the blacks voted for Obama in both elections simply because of his race. It's been documented and reported over and over again.

You, sir, are a bigot.

Did you want him to give them all free houses? What are you some kind of Socialist?

No Healey. I just want to know exactly what Obama did for those victims that merits the praise of him by some people. Just what did Obama do to help the situation that was so wonderful?

Dear "not proud conservative enough to say your name", you seem to forget that Paul Ryan went to an empty soup kitchen to re-wash clean dishes for a photo opt. You also seem to forget that Romney bought thousands of supplies at Walmart, filled up a truck, and pretended that people donated food to his food drive when the Red Cross said Food was not needed at this time during Sandy. You are angry that a Republican didn't say NO for once and actually put the people's best interest first. Do you think Romney's private corporations would have done a better job? Corporations look for profits you realize...don't think they would have been thrilled to fix a 13 billion dollar problem after a storm and not make a dime. Do you have super skills to fix natural disasters over the width of 4 states and give them power when their homes are still full of water? Are you trying to electrocute all Americans?

Obama was ahead of the storm and answered all calls from governers and emergencies crews within 15 min. Now that's a leader. Bush took hours to even notice Katrina.... can't compare the quality and intelligence of Obama to Bush.

What, no rebuttal on Obama doing a great job with Sandy as humanly possible?

Sonia, people in New York and new Jersey are still without power after 11 days. FEMA ran out of water last week and had to wait 3-4 days for delivery. Gas lines are miles long. The President touched down for his photo op in front of millionaire homes on the coast and then went back to campaigning.
You may not realize this but a President does not declare a state of emergency unless the governor requests it. It goes way back to states rights versus federal rights. Before Katrina hit New Orleans President Bush asked the Governor of Louisiana to request the Feds to declare a State of Emergency. She did not. She declared a state of emergency in Louisina but did not ask President Bush to declare a federal state of emergency until after the hurricane hit.

FEMA has already put more than 30,000 residents in hotels and motels and given out roughly $300 million in rental assistance.
FEMA does not fix the power lines.
So far FEMA has given $300 million in renters' assistance.
FEMA has said 101,000 people are eligible for temporary housing at hotels, and 56,000 people are eligible for help with rentals or repairs.
FEMA is also beginning to move some mobile homes into hard-hit areas.
http://m.npr.org/news/front/164819163?start=10

+2 I agree

@Sonia Prince - Joe Scarborough???? You expect me to read and believe something Scarborough says? Sure I will.....right after I sign up to become a big fan of Chris Matthews and that Madcow Momma on CNBC. Don't insult my intelligence by expecting me to buy into your ignorance.

Proud Conservative
Joe Scarborough should get as much credence as any Faux infotainer.

Joe Scarborough really Sonia? I trust him about as much as I do Obama and Biden!

This "fact" has been proven false multiple times in multiple ways; it's a shame you're still repeating it.

Among other proofs, anyone with the most-fundamental grounding in math can prove it false through reducto ad absurdium: consider what the Federal revenue would be if the tax rate were decreased to 0% (the lowest tax rate possible).

Rubio Vs Clinton already in play!

"Republicans should totally ignore him" it will be a good test.
A liberal Republican who wants amnesty for illegals.

PC I am right there with you, I loved the Joe Scarbrough comment.Sonia seems to be living in another world half the time. Go Marco Rubio we are waiting for you!

Romney would have done better with Rubio on the ticket than Ryan...

"We hear" sort of sounds like a rumor...or a Fox rumor....do you at least have a source "not proud enough convervative to say your name" but like to call others names?

Sonia - the story was on all the cable and network news stations and web sites. The drone was on an unclassified mission in international air space last week when the incident occurred. It was not reported until after the election. It was an act of war involving an attack on US property and there was no legitimate reason to delay reporting it since it did not involve a covert operation. Good news regarding the Obama administration is always announced by the White House almost immediately after it occurs. Announcements of bad or unfavorable news is always delayed until a politically opportune time. Just look back and see how many "unfavorable" incidents are reported on Fridays, late in the day.

Salient fact...they missed completely. A Predator drone has a top speed of about 290mph and has minimal A-A defenses while an Iranian MiG-29 can easily hit 2000mph and is armed with multiple A-A missiles and a 30mm cannon. Think they could have hit it if they really wanted to shoot it down ?

Harvard must be some king of secret club for deviants.....Where did Romney go to college?

That is some crazy math you have going there Stephen. IF there is nothing left after paying all the salaries, the "rich person" doesn't pay any taxes at all........